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the mighty 1858 hearts obama, mostly


About a hundred people showed up in my precinct. when all was said and done (and a whole lot was said), five delegates for Obama, two for Clinton. I'm one of those two, and frankly, was shocked that there were that many. I almost wonder if there was an accounting error.

Overall, it was an interesting process with plenty of good and open discussion, but deeply cumbersome and an inefficient way of choosing a candidate. Of course, I'll be thrilled to support either of them in the general election.

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Is that you in the first photo?

My caucus was moved from the library to a church on 19th. If it hadn't been so delayed, I would have barely made it. But it started like 45 minutes late so I was fine. It was hot and crowded but really anticlimactic. The 2004 caucus I went to was a lot more of a spectacle, and more fun, with people grouping by candidate and then arguing and trying to woo people to other candidates. This time we just signed in for the candidate we supported and that was that.
yep.

ours took a few hours. almost every one of the hundred people in my precinct took a chance to speak about their choice, then someone calculated the delegates, then there was some more debate, some more recalculation, and then some electing of actual delegates. it was kind of fun, but also kind of drawn out.

now I want a nap before heading out to see rogue wave later.
What did you say in support of Clinton? I'm actually really curious about this, as the vast majority of people I know are rabid Obama supporters. I was actually surprised to hear you'd gone with the more restrained choice of supporting Hillary. The only argument I've heard for her is the experience one. Is that where you're coming from?
I should begin by saying that I'll be thrilled to vote for either candidate in November.

To me, Clinton seems far more suited to actually accomplish anything, given that any lofty campaign pledges will need to be steered through the machinery of Congress and the complex bureaucracy of the federal government. In general, I like that she seems like a big nerd who studies hard because she loves knowing all the intricate details of a problem. Because of this, she comes across as having deeper knowledge of most critical issues. That by itself isn't enough (and could even be problematic), but I think that eight years in the Senate have taught her how to play well with others. Specifically, her proposed health care aims to cover everyone, which is what most economists seem to think is the way to make this sort of thing work. Obama's inability to explain why his plan is better gives me pause about his overall thinking on other complex problems.

I love the enthusiasm behind Obama, and he deserves it. His ability to draw massive crowds and invigorate the electorate is astounding. However, of the Obama fans I've met -- which grew by about 70 today -- I just haven't heard any deeply compelling reasons for their support. I guess I find all of the hope/change/inspiration arguments unconvincing. Yes, it would be wonderful if politics as usual evaporated upon his election, but I'm too cynical to imagine that happening.

yes. I sort of hate myself for being so cynical about this. at the very least, though, I think that prolonging the race will make Obama a better candidate in the general election.

Go watch that Lessig video

In policy alone I'm not sure that there's any good reason to prefer the one over the other.

Instead, one needs to look at the candidates' character and integrity.

I'll leave the judgments about the two up to you...